Thursday 30 September 2010

West Ham United - A Family At War But A Family Regardless.

One of the joys of running this blog is when I receive emails and strike up a real dialogue with people. I’m knocking around the idea of writing a book based on how our memories of West Ham carry us back in time and trigger memories of what was happening in our lives and in Britain at the time. If you fancy participating, please share your memories. To kick us off, here are the memories of the oldest poster I know of. I have checked with John and he is happy for me to share his emails with you. I found it fascinating.

We don’t always see eye to eye on here but John’s story shows the human side of being a West Ham fan and an Eastender. As Fareham says, it is in the blood and though we may fight from time to time, we are one big family with a fascinating heritage!

John’s story:

Initially I lived with my mom, dad and sister over the top of my grandfather's pub in Burdett Road, then due to my father's work we moved, when I was three, to Bradford. I go back to the War and certain memories will never be forgotten: the gas mask in a case, windows taped in diamonds, air raid shelters, enormous water containers, the German bomber brought down in Heaton Woods, the unexploded bomb in Norhcliffe playing fields, being taken out of bed to sleep under the table when the sirens came on. Corned beef, grey bread, potatoes, rice. No fruit, no sweets, no crisps, no toys, very little heat, damp walls. Which all drove me with my limited talent to end up living in a large house sitting in 15 acres of land on the edge of a very pleasant village in N. Essex called Great Bardfield.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people in that era out of East London ended up doing ok for themselves. When we returned to the south east in 49 we lived in Manor Park for a bit then the old man bought a little end terraced house in Hornchurch. I, like a lot of others, gradually moved (or was driven) farther and farther out until reaching Bardfield.

From the age of 24 I have always been running my own business which was hectic and demanding and basically needed 24 hour concentration, hence other than business I don't remember a lot.

I used to go to home games and meet up with a load of mates in the centre of the chicken run. The comments were like a comedy show, and I was left either feeling elated or depressed by the results, but business then ruled the emotions. In 1988 I suffered from growths in my head above the left eye and had three major ops and nine hours of anaesthetic which messed up my brain. From being able to add up pages of figures in my head, suddenly trying to add up half a dozen cheques would put me to sleep. I couldn't concentrate adequately to even read a column in a newspaper let alone a book, but over the years it got better until 2001 when I was diagnosed as having prostate cancer and had to have another long operation after which they gave me 18 months to two years to live. I shot off to Switzerland for three weeks of cancer treatment and here I still am. Lots of major happenings but I can only tie them in with loss of memory.

I remember vividly a Harry Redknapp goal but not the date or who we were playing. (he only scored 8 goals in his whole West Ham career mate so there’s not many to pick from!) I remember seeing Boyce scoring a beauty from the half way line against Man U at Sheffield Wednesday’s ground - probably a cup semi final but I can't remember what date or how we did after that. (It was actually against Man City at Maine Road in the league mate. It was Jimmy Greaves’s first game for the club after the transfer of Peters to Tottenham. We won 5-1! But Boyce did score twice in the 3-1 semi final win against the Mancs in 64. The match was played in an absolute mud bath and, by the end, you couldn’t see one kit from the other! The old leather ball was sodden and must have felt like it was made of lead. Bloody superman wouldn’t have scored from the half way line in that game! Your memory has conflated two games that were 6 or 7 years apart!)

I met an Italian who was even more fanatical about West Ham than I was and we used to meet in a restaurant called the Spartacus in Romford in which I met and chatted to a couple of West Ham players. Now you would think, of all names, I would remember theirs but I don't. The crazy thing is I do remember one of them left the Hammers and went to Norwich. He was married to a Norwich beauty queen, and sadly I remember reading he died quite recently. But his name escapes me and it is bloody frustrating. (It was Graham Paddon, one of my favourite ever Hammers. He, Bonds and Brooking made up a fantastic West Ham midfield!)

I am making the long trip on Saturday with my brother so hope the team keep up the good work. Surprising what a difference it makes when 11 players all try their hardest!

Other players' names have come back into focus. The other guy I met was Pat Holland, another very friendly guy. I also met John Sissons once. I was visiting a friend who lived on the County Park Estate in Hornchurch and John Sissons lived a couple of doors away on the other side of the road. I was just leaving when we both saw a woman backing her car out of her drive a small child on a trike had stopped on the pavement right behind where her car was coming out. Sissons leapt over two fences at an amazing speed and snatched the kid away from the wheels in the nick of time! The speed of the man was amazing and I had to go over and congratulate him.

From the age of 20 to 24 I worked as a property negotiator for Robert Carter Estate Agents who had branches in Barking, Seven Kings and Hornchurch. I became the manager at Hornchurch and once took Ken Brown's details. He was one of my favourite players of all time and was looking for property in the expensive, aloof, Emerson Park area of Hornchurch. Geof Hurst, Martin Peters and the goalkeeper they had at that time also called into the office. I can't remember his name. He was very good but didn't stay long. You will probably remember him because he played county cricket but not for Essex. Isn't it amazing that I can remember that, but not his name! (Jim Standen I think mate.) I think at that time we had just won the European Cup Winners Cup and all the players were flush with a bit of dosh and were investing it in property. I never found anything for them though.

You mentioning Billy Bonds reminds me of one of the best football duals between two players I have ever seen. It was a summer’s evening game at Upton Park. We were playing Southampton who at that time had Kevin Keegan playing for them and him and Bondsie had a right old tussle. The skill and experience of those two players pitted against each other was a match to be savoured and not forgotten. I have not got a clue what the score was though! Lost in the fog of time!

78 comments:

Anonymous said...

one of the joys of reading your blog is the realisation that there really is someone out there worse off than yourself.

Get out a bit more, and give the blogging up.

Hammersfan said...

A typically mean spirited response sadly. No thought or respect for John whose account is carried here? Your reply really is horribly ill mannered.

Check out how John recalls the humour on the old chicken run. You sir, represent the new breed of "fan" that the West Ham family are embarrassed to own up to. Your "breed" appeared in the 80s and dragged our great club into disrepute. You are an ill mannered yob and the sort of "fan" the club could do without!

Anonymous said...

Blimey, get over yourself pal. you do take all of this a little too seriously don't you. I imagine you must have as much trouble making friends in real life as you do online. Although I think it's clear to see that real life and online has become really rather blurred for you.

ash said...

I really enjoyed it, thanks, it was a great trip down memory lane, and thanks for sharing! It must be great to fill in the details for him, hopefully they will trigger more memories which can be posted up in the future.

Hope the game gives us all some memories we can recount with pride in the future! Good luck to you and West Ham this weekend!

Hammersfan said...

Cheers Ash.

No 2059, go and aquire some respect. I bet you push in front of the older generation in queues too. Manners cost nothing. I was taught that by my parents, who were of the same generation as John. They came through a World War and have experienced things that would make you shit your pants. But you're too disrespectful to acknowledge that. Too wrapped up in yourself and your nasty little vendetta against this blog to see how your contemptible words damage your own cause. I think you are the one who needs to get a life. What was the last book you read out of interest?

Anonymous said...

I think you place an unhealthy sense of worth on this blog and on yourself hammersfan. breathe in, breathe out...

Hammersfan said...

No idea about that. I think this blog is a bit of harmless fun. It seems to entertain and infuriate in equal measure; I'm happy with that as it is provided free of charge. I think you have an unhealthy obsession with it though. I never post comments on blogs. Why exactly do you feel the need to post on here all the time? What is lacking in your life that you feel the need to repeatedly visit and leave comments on a blog you profess to hate? Try finding a female. Sex may help!

Anonymous said...

vendetta? repeatedly visit and comment? you need to get your facts straight my friend. Seems you don't deal in fact though do you?

And you don't comment on blogs???! I'm sure you don't! I've read how you've been banned from every place on the net for being such a rude, racist, self-appreciating a-hole!!

Hammersfan said...

Have you now? Interesting as I have been banned from only one site and that was certainly not for being racist. In fact, and you want to deal in facts, I ran into problems because I objected to the antisemitism of certain posters on the site.

Anonymous said...

Fanno - have to say you're a lost cause if you really believe that's why you got into trouble. Is your memory that short or shall I remind all of your readers exactly why you were barred?

Hammersfan said...

Hang on, I thought you weren't a regular visitor! I will gladly clarify!

The EXCUSE was a post where, following stupid Aussie parents allowing their kid to play unattended at a croc infested lake - where he was eaten - and, on the back of a TV programme shown that week where a crocodile and a Boa Constrictor died trying to each other - I suggested our Boa (who was playing abysmally) took a holiday in Australia. Apparently, this was deeply disrespectful and distressing for the parents of the child - like they read football forums devoted to West Ham in the UK! The excuse was pathetic.

The truth is that the inner sanctum on the site had lost debate after debate with me and couldn't stand me because I made them look like asses time and time again. Davefking wrote a letter of complaint to Nev and the Klan klosed ranks and Fanno was no more. Think you will find that it was "Fanno" who was the first on the Org to say that Green was not international quality!

Anonymous said...

i must admit i quite like this site but not the div who runs it.ps HF have you got a secret you want to tell us. by the sounds of it you have.

Hammersfan said...

You like this site but not the author? Odd. I don't know. What secret do you THINK I want to share?

Anonymous said...

klan, inner sanctum??!! By jeez, step back and listen to yourself, please??!! So you weren't on there using multiple accounts, replying to yourself? No?

Anonymous said...

you tell us. its your secret.

Hammersfan said...

No I wasn't. That was a myth. People are still trying to spot multiple Fannos on the site. After the ban, Fanno reappeared in a series of guises, but only ever one at a time. The only time Fanno used more than one alias at the same time was when the spoof teenager stopatthecurbs made a jokey appearance - a cameo that Bill (Westhamtilidie)particularly enjoyed. I well remember his rejoinder - "You are a wanker but a bloody funny guy". Then Alan Pardew appeared for a couple of days as a joke too, but there was no secret about Pardew being Fanno. Ask OSP, he got the joke immediately and then set up a couple of spoof aliases himself. It became a running gag for a while. Harmless banter. Mind you davefking introduced his own alter ego, "I'mthedaddy", and even posted a picture of a giant in a bar pretending it was him! Everything he has always wanted to be no doubt, because the davefking I met wouldn't come up to that guy's hips!

It's the internet. It's unimportant. It's playtime. It's entertainment. It's pulp factions!

Hammersfan said...

Can't think of any secrets I have, to tell the truth. Well, none you would be interested in anyway.

Anonymous said...

HF have you been a bad little girl again.

Anonymous said...

With that hammers, you just showed what a delusional liar you are. You're right, it's the internet and your sad, pathetic past is still there in the ether for anyone who is bored enough to search for it. i almost feel sorry for you.

Hammersfan said...

So 2152, you give your side of the story. The stage is yours.

Oh God, is my tranvestite secret out? Damn. Were you in the same club as me last Saturday night? Was that you in the pink basque and stockings? You should shave your legs darling and do something about your bikini line!

Anonymous said...

Sounds like you know something we don't my fellow anon. what's she been up to now??

Anonymous said...

I have no side of the story pal. only what's preserved in cyberspace for anyone to see. I had you down as a lonely idiot, but a lying lonely idiot???

Anonymous said...

busiest it's been on here for a while!! interesting.

Hammersfan said...

Is that right? Interesting to read the comments on the "Should Fanno be reinstated thread" isn't it? How many in favour? How many against? Odd that. Still I am Fareham, Isaac, OSP, Rotherhithe, My old man, Tom Hanks...

Anonymous said...

everyone loves you fanno! you're so great!!! you are the only one who knows everything without ever leaving their keyboard!!

Anonymous said...

errr...fanno...as a neutral reading that thread on the org the overriding message I'm getting is that everyone thinks fanno is a rude, lying, insulting, ignorant, ill-informed, sad little man. perhaps we're reading different threads? or perhaps we're reading it through different coloured glasses?

Hammersfan said...

No mate, I am the only one who loves me. Like I say, I AM Fareham, Isaac, OSP, Rotherhithe, My old man, Tom Hanks...I'm also davefking, Aycliffe, delmonte, Irons Germany, nolegs...in fact, you're the only one who isn't Fanno! You spend your whole life talking to Fanno and his alter egos! Your doctor? That's Fanno. Your next door neighbour? Fanno. Your pet dog? That's me mate! I'm there where ever you look. Ed Milliband? It's me, Fanno! David Milliband? Yep, me too! Cameron and Clegg? We are Fanno!

Hammersfan said...

Maybe. Do a count. How many want Fanno back?

Anonymous said...

it's not about a headcount. you showed yourself up on there, that will never be forgotten. it can't be. anyone can go back and read what a complete idiot you are.

Anonymous said...

from the thread you mention, couldn't have put it any better myself:

"Seems a shame to keep him out when his whole life obviously revolves around forums etc., I can just imagine him hunched over his keyboard in a darkened room, drooling as he sends out another insult."

Hammersfan said...

Can they? Wow! So there is hope for the Org then. Nev should launch the "Dave" version of the site, running threads from 3 years ago as if they were typed yesterday! It would be so much more entertaining that the site in its current state. Interesting that the Fanno thread is one of the longest on the current board. Fanno was killed off more than 18 months ago but still generates more hits than any current topic.

Funny, I thought forums were meant to be entertaining, controversial and impassioned, not boring, conformist and limp.

And bbefore you say it, this is a blog, not a forum.

Anonymous said...

i must agree with my fellow anon. you are a sad little man HF

Anonymous said...

funny, the largest amount of comments you receive on this effort of a blog are from people telling you what a twurp you are!

Anonymous said...

bbefore?? come on man, stop shaking!!

Hammersfan said...

I kind of liked,
"Controversal,spiky,informative,funny,rude,beligerent,courteous,polite,friend,foe,annoying,helpful,complex, faithful,good,bad.....he is all these all wrapped up in claret and blue I would have him back but would he come back...that is what he's like, missed but not forgotten...sometimes you need characters like him and sometimes you don't, it's called the spice of life.

Anonymous said...

HF no one likes you on here thats why you had to to change the format of this site so you can see what people say first before putting it up for people to see.

Anonymous said...

seems like you just bore another comment on there out to be true!!

"All i know is that he would love this thread! He prob give his misses a rite old rogering tonight, whilst with his free hand copying and pasting all the positives in a motivational word document for future reference!"

You sad little man.

Hammersfan said...

Funny the way they come in spurts isn't it? Funny the way they are all from "Anonymous posters". But then, I suppose wankers do tend to come in a spurt!

Anonymous said...

HF not everyone can be wrong. and virtually everyone on this sad pathetic site thinks your the biggest wanker going.

Hammersfan said...

No, I had to change the format of this site because of foul individuals posting links to pornography and making appalling racist comments. You perhaps?

And you still miss the point, my friend. There will be readers loving this exchange. They have missed you and you moronic little battle. You lose EVERY time. Remember the rules of the Game!

Anonymous said...

what part of the exchange do you think they're enjoying hammers?

The game??? you've really lost it havent you. is your eye twitching while you type??

Anonymous said...

HF you lying again. the reason you changed the format was because everyone on here was cnuting you off.

Hammersfan said...

Everyone being you. It's only you and me mate. Everyone else is Fanno. All the replies tonight, except yours, Fanno. The site doesn't really exist you know. It is a virus on your PC. I hacked in and set up this "site" to torment you. Cancel the milk. Fanno is the milkman. Don't go into the newsagent. It's Fanno! Look behind you now, I'm in your bedroom. And you REALLY shouldn't be doing THAT when thinking of Fanno!

Hammersfan said...

We love the Game mate. We love seeing your frustration. We love your obsession. We love your pathetic attempts at come backs. We love your humiliation. We love the way you don't understand that we could block your comments if we wanted to. We love the crass stupidity of you thinking that you can score points given we could block you whenever we wish. We love the way you think this site matters, that it is real, that it exists outside of your own PC. We love the way we are driving you insane. We love the way you see Fannos everywhere. We love the way you think there really are other anonymouses. We love the way you can't get the joke. That the joke is you. You are trapped in the Game. Welcome to Room 101.

Anonymous said...

HF living in denial again. why dont you accept that nearly everyone on here dont like you.

Anonymous said...

my god. like another comment said - this is your padded cell isn't it? goodnight mr anderson. you sad, sad little man.

Anonymous said...

What are you talking about? I love Fanno.

Anonymous said...

I love Fanno too

Anonymous said...

Me too

Anonymous said...

I love fanno too. he's sooooo cool.

Anonymous said...

Best on the net

Anonymous said...

The guy is a genius.

Anonymous said...

The Org misses him

Anonymous said...

I used to llove the Org when Fanno was there.

Anonymous said...

Gone downhill since.

Anonymous said...

that's it fanno...get those stats up!! I still reckon it's about 99% think you're a tw@t. It's still just you that doesnt!!

Anonymous said...

Wish Fanno would come back!

Anonymous said...

HF blocking people's comments doesn't hide the fact that nearly everyone on here doesn't like you does it. you lose.

Anonymous said...

God me too!

Hammersfan said...

God mate, are you starting to hear voices now? All these anonymouses all posting at the same time. They're everywhere! Its only you and them!

Anonymous said...

if it weren't for the anons there'd be no one on here except you replying to yourself. you should be thanking the anons, not losing arguments to them.

Anonymous said...

this site does make me laugh. the only time you get a lot of hits on here is when your getting cnuted off. i wonder how many hits you would have if you took all the cnuted ones out. not many i bet.

Headmaster said...

I'm not privvy to any alleged history on the Org, HF and frankly my dear I don't give a damn....

For what it's worth, I really enjoy a lot of what you write. It is often thought provoking, often funny and usually pretty original. Sometime's it's inflammatory and on those days I just don't choose to respond. Not exactly rocket science, eh.
I did look back through that post on the Org as it goes and would have to agree with you that the overwhelming majority of contributors appear to mourn your passing. Bloody annoying but good value seems to be the theme!
There are plenty of safe forums for people to visit if they just want sycophantic platitudes. I enjoy them sometimes myself. Depends upon my mood.
Quite why anyone would waste their time coming on here without any identity and trying to point score against a host they claim is irrelevant and loathed is beyond me. I guess it's the same mentality that attracts some to other sites I could name just to click a thumbs down icon!

Incidentally, really enjoyed John's reminiscences; heartfelt, genuine and relevant. Bless ya, John.

Anonymous said...

Fanno - looks like you're up to your old tricks again??!!

Hammersfan said...

Cheers mate. What I love is the way the moron uses the c word as a verb! That is the extent of his intelligence and vocabulary! Like you say, John's contribution is top quality. Such a shame that this anonymous moron chose to hijack this of all threads to play his silly game. I do think the guy needs help!

Anyway, fingers crossed for the Fulham game!

Hammersfan said...

Oh yes I forgot, Headmaster is me too! And so is Mr Ryan! And I will tell you my BIG secret, I'm Iain Dale too! So sit on that thumbs up and smile!

Anonymous said...

turn it off, get some help. I can recommend you some good mental healthcare professionals in your area. Would you like me to forward you their details by email?

Hammersfan said...

Now why am I surprised that you can recommend some good mental healthcare professionals? Glad you are receiving treatment. You need it! I'm going to bed, perchance to dream. Remember what Macbeth said: Still it cried 'Sleep no more!' to all the house:
'Fanno hath murder'd sleep, and therefore lbmisgod
Shall sleep no more; Hammersfanno1 shall sleep no more.'

Andy said...

Is it me, or has anyone else noticed that the haters on this blog and others are always anonymous? If you have anything to say, at least have to balls to put your name to it...

Or maybe just get out more.

FarehamHammer said...

Brother Fanno !,another brilliant post !.One of my favourite actors is Jack Nicholson ,their is one particular scence in ;A few good men that poigantly illustrates the present stand off you are having as you come under attack,from West Ham's very own 'sons' of New Labour namely the gutless 'happy' clappers who like their gutless political allies ,launch their daggers under a cloak of secrecy on here, they bravely hide behind the term anonymous, launch their daggers at you and then dissappear into the night .In the movie their is one electrifying scene where Demi Moore tells Nicholson "I want the truth " To which Nicholson memorably reply's you CAN'T handle the truth !.That's the problem you have brother Fanno ,SOME of the 'Happy' clappers simply CAN'T handle the truth and then to get inner peace and rest for ther souls ...they desperately try to discredit you ,what do you exspect when you've been brought up under 'New Labour'?.Of course they don't like it when you reply !,then they're the victims !.On one of my post i let my fellow posters on the Org know that i thought Scott Parker was a good box to box player,no final ball &very little end product .Low and behold the poster who was from Australia got hold of my personal e-mail address (don't know how !),and sent me an e-mail:Dear Fareham ,my wife has left me and i've lost my job,your PERSONAL attack on Scott Parker is sending me over the edge ".On reading this desperate plea for help ,i reacted to help my fellow Hammer:....i sent him a link to a Billy Graham crusade.People think unless you go on your knees and say :God Bless Ma ,God Bless Pa ,God bless the Go ,sorry !the talkactive one and his friend!.You don't love West Ham ,they fail to see we are a 'broad' church and WHATEVER our OPINION we love West Ham United football club .John 8:32 "And you will know the TRUTH and it will set you free ".Give thm he truth brother Fanno ,set them free !.We're more than a football club,we're a way of life !!

TurdsOut! said...

let's have a vote

For Fanno
against Fanno

and while you're at it explain why this blog is moderated and why you found it necessary to set up wehatethegamesgonecrazy.com

Anonymous said...

Turds, he set that up to collect email addresses of those 'conspirators', from 'the klan', those with a 'vendetta' against this blog, those that want to 'bring this site down'.

God knows what he was going to do with the email addresses once he got them, probably go to the press as he thinks he's front page news.

Not that he's in the slightest bit disturbed or obsessed with all this online stuff or anything.

My old man said said...

I joined the org long after Fanno left, so thought I'd come here to see what the recent fuss was about. I enjoyed reading the banter above, so nice one Fanno and anonymous! Liked the Ryan and BIG references hinting at a link to Tom Hanks too. Lovely stuff. Think I'll call myself 'Myoldmanno' on the org from now on... please don't cnut me off though!

Anonymous said...

he wanted to get the email addresses of the people who think he's a muppet

Hammersfan said...

LOL So which one of you two clowns set up the site and is now trying to foist the blame upon me, after it fell flat on its face? You guys really are an absolute joke. How many email addresses did you get guys? How many co-conspirators? Did you hope I might respond with a personal email address perhaps?

I still haven't been to the site but early feedback suggested it was amatuerish in the extreme. Didn't you guys boast that you were setting it up before it was announced as up and running? Presumably that was me too was it?

Look, I know you think I am a mendacious bastard with all sorts of double bluffs up my sleeve but, if you were right on this, why would I post your comments, given I could moderate them out? Explain the sense of that please guys. According to you, I set up a site dedicated to bringing down this site, advertised it on my own site, then when you wanted to "expose" my trick, I posted your "exposure" on my blog so you can show the world how stupid I am! Why? Why would I do that when I could just delete your comments so that they never see the light of day, thereby hiding what I have done? That doesn't add up does it guys? Explain please!

Anonymous said...

no, we're saying you set it up.

Hammersfan said...

Are "we"? I know what you (plural apparently) are saying, but if I had set it up, why would I let you say I had set it up on this blog? Why wouldn't I moderate out that comment to prevent the "truth" being known? I am fascinated to hear an explanation for that. Surely that would be extreme perversity wouldn't it? So explain the logic please. I'm dying to hear it!

Hammersfan said...

No answer to that I see. Your silence speaks a million words and they all make more sense than any of the crap you have left on the comments section of this site. Sorry your little wehatethegamesgonecrazy site fell flat on its face. Why not start another bblog? May I suggest you call it:

Iamasadlittletwat.blogspot.com ?